you don't need people who need education denied education. >> zero cuts? >> no, not zero cuts. and we talked about even john boehner take saying yes in terms of age of eligibility to get into medicare, that's a major step for our country. it would reduce spending. >> republicans are playing the same game. i'm not saying republicans are squeaky clean on this. i think some of them are guilty, as well. but no one has the guts to do what everyone campaigned on. everyone campaigned on restoring fiscal sanity and blah, blah, blah. no one's got the guts to do it. >> let me answer brent's point. juan said something 20 me a moment ago i want to aggression. juan, you said maybe i'm out of touch. maybe i am, juan, but to me it's immoral what we are doing by stealing our children's money. and, juan, i don't think we are able to pay it back. and there's nobody in washington in this whole debate, and brent is right, there's some republicans, as well, that are just willing to make any deal to make this go away. >> oh, gosh. >> but to steal from our children this way and smash open their piggy